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Discussion in 'Developers - Archive' started by mkalash, Mar 2, 2018.

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  1. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    BYOND Key: mkalash
    Github profile URL: https://github.com/mustafakalash
    Featured PRs:

    88 PRs created, fairly balanced between features and bug fixes. Strong history of upkeeping my own features. A lot of reviewing other PRs under my belt.
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/20683
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/20675
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/20674
    Fix: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/19456
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/19444
    Fix: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/19335
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/18958
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/18208
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/17794
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/17558
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/16672
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/16617
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12754
    Feature and bugfixes for the above: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12798
    More upkeeping of the above: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/13021, https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12878, https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/13022, https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/13148, https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12787
    Bugfixes: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12783
    Feature: https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12589
    Why do you want to become a developer?:
    I enjoy contributing to this community in every way I can. There is an obvious, major need for an active developer right now, with open PRs numbering far higher than I have seen here, or anywhere, before -- a lot of which are just waiting for reviews.
     
  2. ZeroBits

    ZeroBits Retired Staff

    I agree with mkal. There are too many open PRs, and too little being done with them. I also agree that we need more reviewers.

    However, as much as I agree with his statements, and as much as I personally like mkal, I don't think he's ready to hold a staff position again. His dismissal from the staff team is still somewhat fresh, and I haven't seen enough from him recently to ascertain whether or not he's gotten his shit together yet.

    So that's a hesitant -1 from me.
     
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  3. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    I am still a member of staff, albeit suspended.
     
  4. ZeroBits

    ZeroBits Retired Staff

    This really isn't the place to have this conversation, but isn't this the staff role you were suspended from? And, on that note, isn't being suspended from staff sort of a disqualifier? If not officially, then practically.
     
  5. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    No and no. My suspension will be over by the time this application is processed, if it is ever.
     
  6. LorenLuke

    LorenLuke Commanding Officer

    Regardless of their staff status as suspended or removed, I think the fact that a non-zero number of those statements is true speaks volumes.
    I think the fact that this is your second developer application without any resignation bespeaks that you've at least been removed from development staff. You've pushed through unpopular PRs despite massive protest. You've a third iteration a PR open similar to two previous which were similarly downvoted and were closed.
    Your tenure in staff accrued two staff strikes prior to the staff notes punitive transition, and two valid staff complaints within about a month following for repeat behavior.
    Considering the above, why should you be allowed to rejoin development staff?
     
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  7. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    There are more open PRs than a handful of people can count on their hands and no prospect as qualified.
     
  8. LorenLuke

    LorenLuke Commanding Officer

    You have demonstrated repeated detrimental behavior resulting in disciplinary action. If you were to evaluate yourself as a candidate, would you stake this information as more or less important than individual coding capability and credentialing?
     
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  9. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    Can you tell me what it's like for every one around you to come down on you hard because they believed that you intentionally threw the rule book out the window and assumed your failure to understand what you have been doing wrong was just you playing dumb, when you only ever tried to do what you thought best? Does that person deserve any further consideration?

    I can show you undeniable growth in my perceived behavior, given the chance, and I insist to you that I am here to further the good of the community, as defined by its members. If I were interested only in some power fantasy or whatever malicious thing people believe motivates me, then I would not be trying to grow back up from ground zero.
     
  10. LorenLuke

    LorenLuke Commanding Officer

    [​IMG]
    I can certainly tell you I know how one person doing it to me fucking feels.

    My life experiences have taught me not to conflate malice for the explainable by anything but malice. Your coding credentials are not ones I question.
    You're a competent coder who's laid groundwork for many systems that benefit this server still, exoplanets and the admin ticket system keen among them. What concerns me, and I believe sure at the core of the problem behaviors in all aspects, is something I still see signs of in your response.

    You've chided staff for making gameplay changes without vote yet removed several antagonist capabilities with nary a peep. You've pushed through significant changes to engineering tools against community sentiment under 'just try it, it's not that bad', while others must stand up to extraordinary rigor under your evaluation.

    Your eyes are not all-seeing, and what you may fail to grasp or see does not mean it therefore neither exists nor is of no consequence. Similarly, just because someone fails to see your reasoning (or sees reasoning behind yours) does not invalidate the veracity or efficacy of their concerns or opinions, not give you the grounds to dismiss them as uninformed frivolity. People may see your reasoning and more beyond it. Sometimes explaining to them the nuance will do nothing to convince them to your position because they already see the ins and outs of it, it's the 'and more' that you don't see that has influenced their final decision.

    Until you realise that it is not 'everyone' against you, until you realise that it's actually very few (if any) individuals that believe your part actions as malicious, until you realise that every qualitative judgement might be based on the merits of your actions or code themselves and not always a judgement about your motivations or quality of character, or that any opinion about said actions is not categorically less valid or relevant than your own, regardless of if you see or understand their reasoning, I don't think that you should be on any staff team.

    However, if such is no longer the case, I'll submit that you are a more than qualified candidate for the position.
     
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  11. Meyar

    Meyar Retired Worstmin 2015-2017

    I cannot get into specifics because privileged staff information, but jesus Christ -1. Senior staff know why.
     
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  12. BSKThemes

    BSKThemes Sol Gov Pilot

    Who gives a shit, code is code.
     
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  13. LorenLuke

    LorenLuke Commanding Officer

    When it's code a majority speak against, vote against, have their discussion locked about it, and see it merged anyway, it's no longer just code.
     
  14. Loaf

    Loaf Retired Staff

    Using the Github repository as a platform to make ideological statements or pick fights is really, really not something you want maintainers to be doing with their time.
     
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  15. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    I maintain that this is never something that I have done.

    I also want to point out that Loren is blaming me for merging code that I did not merge.
     
  16. Alexey

    Alexey Donator

    Okay, I am only superficially familiar with late conflict leading to disciplinary action and I am not the most involved member of community so take my opinion for what it worths.
    I believe that MKalash has neccessary skill and knowledge to make good code so it would be a waste to dismiss his offer to contribute. I'd offer to consider some sort of compromise - let MKalash demostrate reasonable amount of activity so he can demonstrate change in behavior - as there's probably little to none need in demonstratiing general coding competence. Instead of outright denial postpone decision on this application until it's clear what this decision should be.
     
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  17. Meyar

    Meyar Retired Worstmin 2015-2017

  18. mkalash

    mkalash Donator

    That pull request was a legitimate attempt to bring about more focus on medical prep work rather than stabbing people with needles and throwing them out. The brainstorming brought about from that attempt led to a new implementation which has since been merged. I will insist:
     
  19. Meyar

    Meyar Retired Worstmin 2015-2017

    You got clipped for the same behavior in two valid complaints in the space of two weeks. You can maintain it all you like. Anyone on staff at the time and I imagine a lot of people not aren't really about to agree with you.

    You basically got perma-canned for your behavior and have the gall to play victim when you were given more chances than we gave most. When you were given "notes" instead of an immediate showing to the door there were more than a few "what the hell?" utterances.

    Anyone on staff seriously considering giving you your positions back after your public and private behavior needs their head examined unless they somehow missed the whole debacle.
     
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  20. LorenLuke

    LorenLuke Commanding Officer

    If this is the hill you chose to die on, so be it.
    Rather than address the fact that your behavior and verbiage towards me in the image provided is IDENTICALto the attitude and behavior which you are lamenting that you were treated with, down to the verbatim usage of 'playing dumb' with my stated failure to understand, and the fact you apparently can't even seeing that as being a red flag large enough to cover a small country, I don't know how even you (let alone anyone else) can remotely expect yourself to improve in any way, shape, or form.
    What is it you have done wrong? As staff would say 'What rules have you broken?' 'What will you do to fix this behavior in the future?' 'Why should we give you a [n]th chance?' Because if you're going to try and point out every-fuckin'-body else's flaws and go 'I didn't do that. No, that's not what I did', you of all people should know how well that'd fly in a ban appeal.
    Why on earth do you expect it to fly any better here?
     
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